Episode twenty-nine: podcasting from Estes Park, CO at the National Worship Leaders Retreat (West). This episode gives an inside look into one of the night sessions at the retreat featuring a teaching by Jay Pathak, the senior pastor of the Arvada Vineyard in Arvada, CO. Also at the end of the podcast, there is some live worship from the retreat with Clarence Church, the worship pastor at the Columbus Vineyard in Ohio, and Marie Barnett (Heaven Came Down), the author of the song "Breathe".